Thing that Ford should sell in America

"Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire" (arch-duke-maxyenko) 09/24/2020 at 09:16 • Filed to: None

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HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 09/24/2020 at 09:20

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Yes, I’m hoping this will be the next gen Ecosport here 

Just Jeepin' > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 09/24/2020 at 09:20

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Ford Juke?

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 09/24/2020 at 09:21

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That thing is NOT a Puma :(
THIS is a Puma:

Dusty Ventures > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 09/24/2020 at 09:22

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Add some ugly plastic cladding and that would fly off the lot here

i86hotdogs > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 09/24/2020 at 09:36

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Transit Connect ST please and thank you. They could have been equipped with the FiST engine for a few years. So there’s your engine. Bonus points if the FoST is used. Just needs a small tune of the powerplant, suspension, and throw a stick in that center console.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Dusty Ventures 09/24/2020 at 09:45

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Just change the body colored flares to textured black plastic and voilà

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 09/24/2020 at 09:45

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I’d even settle for the Focus Active replacing the wretched Ecopsort. 

Michael > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 09/24/2020 at 10:15

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Cars?

Deal Killer - Powered by Focus > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 09/24/2020 at 10:19

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Yep!

mhr555 > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 09/24/2020 at 10:29

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The tarmac rally version was so awesome.
I’d be ordering one of those if they came over here. Get rid of the roller skate called the EcoSport and go against the Mazda CX-3/CX-30 with this. 

duurtlang > Dusty Ventures 09/24/2020 at 10:32

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It’s a crossover already though. The green one is the ‘sporty’ version, with painted cladding.

newnamesameme > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 09/24/2020 at 10:35

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Whats this? I like the looks of it whatever it is. 

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 09/24/2020 at 10:36

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Named after this:

Looks like this:

duurtlang > i86hotdogs 09/24/2020 at 10:36

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The manual is not a problem. Here is a screen shot of the (German) Ford website itself, where they market the Transit Connect. Note the stick.

Svend > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 09/24/2020 at 10:45

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Maybe the estate one.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > mhr555 09/24/2020 at 10:47

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There was a Tarmac rally version of the new Puma...?

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Svend 09/24/2020 at 11:05

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Ford has a real Subaru Outback competitor on its hands and it is just sitting on it. With the right advertising that could sell big. 

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 09/24/2020 at 11:08

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Buick already proved that the market can’t (or doesn’t want to) bear it.

Dusty Ventures > duurtlang 09/24/2020 at 11:36

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I know it’s already a crossover, but over here it needs to LOOK more like it to really sell. It needs to look like it was styled by Tonka

i86hotdogs > duurtlang 09/24/2020 at 11:54

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Even more of a reason to make it! DO IT FORD YOU COWARDS

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 09/24/2020 at 12:07

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On the contrary, the TourX was a typical GM blunder in that it was a great car that they didn’t bother to advertise. Imagine the Focus Active with a good ad campaign about rugged lifestyles and kayaking  and mountain biking and other Subaru things. 

LongbowMkII > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 09/24/2020 at 12:36

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Ford would rather sell them a base bronco sport

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > LongbowMkII 09/24/2020 at 12:38

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The way I see it, these are closer to direct competitors.

And these could compete nicely. I believe there is enough market for both of these to survive.

Dusty Ventures > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 09/24/2020 at 12:41

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He means the old Puma, it was a much loved club level rally car.

That said, the new Puma is slated to be Ford's next car for the WRC

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Dusty Ventures 09/24/2020 at 13:48

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Yes, I knew the old one was a cool rally car.....not sure how I feel with crossovers becoming WRC cars......they’re not really WRC ‘cars’... :(

I’m not a fan of NASCAR, but you know there’d be an uproar if they started racing the Chevrolet Trax vs. Ford Ecosports.....

dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 09/24/2020 at 13:53

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That’s so much better than the awful EcoSport

Amoore100 > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 09/24/2020 at 15:18

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But the Focus wagon is miniature! It’d be a Golf Alltrack competitor at best, the Outback is just the cheap version of the V90 XC/E-Class All-Terrain/Audi Allroad . Incidentally, that’s probably why it sells so well since it’s the only full-size but mainstream (i.e. non-luxe) crossover wagon. 

Dusty Ventures > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 09/24/2020 at 15:44

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Oh believe me, I've had several nice long rants about the WRC going to crossovers and tube frames

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 09/24/2020 at 16:59

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The tourx was partial to meet certain trade and European union contract requirements. Also hampered by adding every option making it a Buick and not 25chevy Subaru competitor. 

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 09/24/2020 at 17:05

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Oh I love the TourX. I worked at a GMC/Buick dealership and sold them. People in the know love them too. Great cars. Sadly they have a pretty narrow appeal in today’s market.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Amoore100 09/24/2020 at 17:46

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You know, that's a good point. A true competitor would be more like a Fusion/Mondeo wagon Active. 

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Dusty Ventures 09/24/2020 at 17:47

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WAIT, what??? They’ll just be tube frames with original-style skin over the top, kindof like NASCAR....? WTF.....how did I know hear that blasphemy was happening :S

Are they at least still going to be road legal to drive from sta ge to stage...?

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 09/24/2020 at 17:47

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The venn diagram between people who owned TSX Sportwagons and TourXs probably suggests a strong correlation. 

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 09/24/2020 at 20:32

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Given the amount I drive, the premium fuel and AWD mpg hit were the killer. Similar issue with an outback. Really wanted a wagon wi th roof rails.

kinda indifferent with awd. I have a hard time buying a VW and tepid given the number of subaru oil issues from people I know. sucks, its on the same platform as the malibu

mhr555 > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 09/25/2020 at 06:17

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At least a NASCAR EcoSport would have some guts and a proper gearbox.

mhr555 > Dusty Ventures 09/25/2020 at 06:17

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When did WRC go tube frame? I honestly haven’t really been paying attention to WRC the last couple years. 

mhr555 > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 09/25/2020 at 06:18

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See below.

mhr555 > Svend 09/25/2020 at 06:22

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The EcoSport is way smaller than the Focus Active (which they should have brought here to NA...along with the new Fiesta and Focus STs). 

mhr555 > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 09/25/2020 at 06:29

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They all blunder cars with that had potential. Here are some of the FoMoCo missed opportunities .

Fusion Sport - This could have been a Fusion ST. Slap a 6 speed manual and see more than the zero point zero percent sales figures it saw when alive. As an aside, an uncorked v6 sounded like garbage when the neighbor had one and would drive by “ripping” up the street.

Escape ST - Cobble together some Focus ST & RS bits for a sporty crossover more worthy of the ST badge than the Edge or Explorer (although I am liking the Explorer ST more and more since I’m middle aged, fat and think I have money to waste on a 50k vehicle)

Svend > mhr555 09/25/2020 at 06:40

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Ye’, the EcoSport is more Fiesta/Fiesta Active

No t sure if there is a new Eco Sport coming out but the Puma looks to be a replacement.

while the Kuga/Escape is more Focus/Focus Active.

Dusty Ventures > mhr555 09/25/2020 at 07:16

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It’s going to start with the 2022 ruleset

Dusty Ventures > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 09/25/2020 at 07:19

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They’ll still be road legal for driving transit sections (somehow). I guess the justification is that tube frames will keep the budget down and make it easier to install the hybrid powertrains they’re switching to in 2022, as well as allow more manufacturers to enter as they’ll be allowed to scale down the proportions of their selected road car, but it’s still blasphemy to me.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Dusty Ventures 09/25/2020 at 07:59

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This makes me incredibly sad :(